Today, like millions of other Brits, I’ll be heading to a polling booth to place my vote in the EU Referendum.
From a Deaf perspective, what’s been great about the referendum is how engaged Deaf people have been with the debate, saying whether we want to Remain or Leave.
I wrote a BBC News article earlier this year about how important Facebook has become to the Deaf community, and it’s clear from the many posts on my Facebook feed that much of the Deaf debate on whether to Remain or Leave has been through the social networking site.
Even when there were no accessible campaign materials (though BSL videos for both sides were later provided) Deaf people were already debating the issues either openly through status updates and comments, or in Facebook groups – often in signed videos (I should say, it’s not all been online – there has also been several BSL debates in real life). That engagement has increased in the last few days and weeks.
The fact that Deaf people can now communicate widely and rapidly with one another online during situations like this is a huge change from just a few years ago, where many of us would have only been able to discuss and debate the issues locally at Deaf clubs, depending on the limited (and often inaccessible) information available.
Now, despite the fact the mainstream world could still do far, far more to give us access, at least we can see what a range of people in our community think, and also access information videos in BSL that help us to make up our minds.
So there’s been great positives to take from this Referendum.
But there’s also been a negative, too, and this lies in how divided our community has become over the last few weeks and months, between people voting for either side.
One post really stood out for me last week, and it came from a leading figure in the Deaf community. In a written and signed post, he said that he felt concerned that some people were not accepting other people’s perspectives, that they had already made up their minds, when it was important to consider both sides before coming to a decision – and respect those that don’t agree with you.
Other posts and comments I have read have been from people explaining that they got a backlash in some Facebook groups if they said they were going to vote for the other side, and this led to them leaving those groups.
More seriously, there have been allegations of racism in some groups, and of people being personally abused for their political views by others who don’t agree with them.
What’s clear is that whichever way the vote goes today, our community has become divided over the issue of whether Britain should stay in the European Union or not. And that’s a shame.
Perhaps it could be said that our community is divided in the same way as Britain generally seems to be at the moment. It’s clear that people in different parts of the country, or from different economic backgrounds, feel very differently about the EU. Maybe the Deaf community reflects this.
However, another thought I have pondered in the last few weeks is that in many ways, the Deaf community has had very little access to politics historically, and has had very little opportunity to debate political issues in the past. And maybe that’s why things have been so divisive.
What’s clear is the Deaf community wants to be a part of the political process, and feels as strongly about the issues – if not more strongly – as non-Deaf people do.
However, we may still be learning – as a community – how to debate, how to reason with one another, and how to accept that different people may have different opinions, but still shake each other’s hands and stay friends at the end of the day.
I guess that’s what it comes down to for me. As a community there is so much that binds us together – our shared experiences, language and culture – that it is such a shame to see friendships end, and goodwill disappear, because people take political differences personally.
My hope is that we learn from this referendum, whatever the result, and take those lessons forward to the next vote, possibly a general election, and debate with one another in a more positive way.
Charlie is the editor of Limping Chicken, as well as being an award-winning filmmaker. He has just completed two new episodes of his documentary, Found, about Deaf identity. He previously wrote and directed the comedies The Kissand Four Deaf Yorkshiremen go to Blackpool along with other film and TV credits. As a journalist, he has written for the Guardian and BBC Online.
ohdear
June 23, 2016
Off to vote for the first time in my life. Obviously voting Leave.
Hartmut
June 23, 2016
If you care for my opinion, based on the international perspective, you better vote to Remain. You need to have British influence in international affairs. Otherwise the UK does not count in the global decision-making, and any complaints from the UK will be shoved aside. The nation will be stuck with the heritage from the former colonies, mostly of economic and humanitarian nature. By leaving the Eurpean Union, UK cannot solve those problems coming from their colonial past alone.
Rudyard Kipling once wrote about the prophetic “White Man’s Burden”. It is exactly this burden, the UK is bearing now.
You cannot escape this sort of burden.
ohdear
June 23, 2016
Are you kidding? Democracy comes first. Secondly, we are a permanent member of the United Nation and leaving the EU will get back our seat on the WTO. By your own admission, you should be voting to leave.
Lewis Campbell Jr.
June 23, 2016
You are pushing an idea that does not hold much water; so to speak. First the formation of the EU crippled much of the innate economic and cultural elasticity of being separate, yet connected to some extent. Point being systems, social or otherwise work best when existing within a distributed network.
Many of the problems in the united states for example come from diminishing states rights, the balance to federal rules as well as causing problems within the cultural differences that move from state to state, yet at the core of all of them have a belief in the whole when it comes to basic rights.
With any system that develops over time into a single entity, a state, a country, a village, a cell, an organ and so on, its strength is in the developmental aspects of those boundary conditions that develop and the channels of information and goods that move back and forth. These are things that naturally develop. If you look to history or science when talking of changes to some single coerced control, you lose the nature of the smart systems within, culturally as well as fiscally, or even physically corrupting the natural patterns. One of the reasons socialist or other ism’s never can work. They exist as some philosophical holy grail pushed by its zealots, attempting to move from the natural patterns, biological or otherwise, that help maintain homeostasis of any system in question.
Europe and any associative connections will always be more stable connected but separate, letting the natural flow of needs and wants to guide each to there own destiny. Yes working together is a need, but dependencies coerced upon each other is a cancer that ruins the nature of what natural strength lays within.
Rudyard Kipling aside, though I spend many hours reading his works, he is not someone I would want giving me guidance to the problems of the day.
I’m not one to tell others how to vote, just put out some basic observational facts, and hope at times that they do there own research and prove or disprove me wrong. I grow they grow, and we all learn from the interaction.
Britain does need to interact and give its influence in much of the social and fiscal movements going on right now, but leading to break apart from the EU, from what I quoted above, would be I think a better choice.
Either way, enjoyed your point of view, hope your day goes well…
Hartmut
June 23, 2016
That is surprising. I am elated about it too.
Deaf people in the UK, especially on the grassroots level appears to have become more sophisticated, obtained more background info on the issue relating to Europe. The term “grassroots” is unfortunate, but it is being used more in the Deaf Communities of English-speaking countries and other countries, I am familiar with. It designates those Deafies who are less bilingual, unable to understand printed texts to obtain information and who relies predominantly on explanations by the bilinguals in sign language.
Swinbourne, can you perhaps inquire your Deaf parents how the political discussions between Deaf people compare during his time and now. Can a “non-scientifical” conclusion be made to say that Deaf people now are on the average more bilingual?
I can remember fairly well of the discussions on political and Deaf issues in my 3-months trip in England and Scotland and my visits in Deaf clubs in London, Bristol, York, Glasgow.
Also I remember very well of the many discussions with Deaf leaders (“elite”, often postlingually deafened) and grassroots In Germany. They were active in discussing political issues, mostly around election time, Each city with a Deaf club has a “guru”, whom Deaf grassroots would turn to for information and advice. I as a 17-year old kid was one of them, receiving questions and requests for explanations, often my opinion was sought that influenced their votes.
In the US, I am only one of the primes and got primarily requests for informed opinion and advice.
Sue
June 23, 2016
Me too
Hartmut
June 23, 2016
“Me too” … what?
Please, don’t be too cryptic and your two word remark does not communicate anything.
Sue
June 23, 2016
I was responding to the first comment by ‘ohdear’. It was the only one I could see at the time.
Hartmut
June 23, 2016
One more:
When I speculated above about the progress in bilingual ability, I would like to draw your attention to the nationwide study by Dr. Conrad about the reading achievements of the British school leavers in the late 1970’s, which assessed their average reading level to be comparable to average of hearing pupils between third and fourth grades. At this reading level, Deaf school leavers are functionally illiterate. By this study, they were deemed to be either semilingual in English or monolingual in BSL.
Ben Leigh
June 23, 2016
I’m voting leave the laws that keep us safe are not European governed if u r undecided take this test https://ig.ft.com/sites/how-should-i-vote-in-the-eu-referendum/
Cathy
June 23, 2016
This is an historical day! One that will change British lives forever!
Despite all the debates raging on Facebook and other sites, there will never be anything more important in our lives, ever again. We will, effectively, live or die by our decision!
In spite of all the televised debates: not one person really knows what is going to happen next to this once Great country!
I personally feel that we must think ahead to the next generation and the next: they are the ones who are going to be living with our folly or otherwise!
So Iam going to get ready to vote in this democratic process and pray we get the right result without any rigging going on!
And for anyone who is wondering: Iam a leaver. I beleave in Great Britain!
Hartmut
June 23, 2016
I must say, you were really not voting for your grandchildren and future generations, but for the selfish interests of the present generation. Global issues are already in your country to deal with due to the British colonialism. EU is absorbing the same problem due to the colonialist past of the French, Spain, Portugal, Belgium and Netherland.
You have to consider also the “colonialism” toward the Deaf. The issues of the Deaf is world-wide and need global action against audism, which is equivalent to colonialism against the Deaf. You need to utilize the progressive legislation by the European Parliament in your country. It seems, a deaf person can more easily become a parliamentarian in the EU Parliament than be a MP in individual countries. You need all the help from Europe to fight your own government.
Lewis Campbell Jr.
June 23, 2016
What you notice from history when groups combine is a well-spring of advantages in the beginning, adjusts occur and over generations things start to stabilize to a certain extent. Though over time, the bureaucracies increase, the larger the system, the greater the bureaucracy, the less efficient the needs of the individuals are met.
Thinking of the future is a need, desperately so, yet I warn that increasing the size of the overall structures that control, governments as well as fiscal centers, leads to more disruption to the individual over time than to more advantages.
It’s always a balance of course, money is to be made for a select few which way the decision is made, but the balance becomes more precarious the larger the system is. It does not get much larger than what is being proposed in the EU.
Cathy
June 25, 2016
Hartmut, please dont tell me Iam not really voting for the next generation! Yes, I did vote for them!
It is terrifying to think of Britain stuck in the EU forevermore with no identity and an unaccountable elite, who nobody ever votes for and nobody can get rid of! That is dictatorship not democracy!
Why on earth would I want to leave a dictatorship behind for future generations?! And the prospect of increasing the population with new member states hardly bears thinking about! This little island is already seriously overpopulated! What would life be like for future generations with 85m people in it?!?!
Iam seriously concerned for Britain and the only way out was to leave and thank God we have! The last thing I was worried about was audism, sorry Hartmut, against the many serious problems of staying in the EU; they have far greater ramifications than audism ever will!
Lewis Campbell Jr.
June 23, 2016
Good luck, I hope you win. There is nothing stronger than a national focus to a common goal. One of the reasons being separate works so well in so many areas. Good luck…
Deafnotdaft
June 23, 2016
I’d like to thank Hartmut for his post above based on an international perspective. I’ll be voting Remain for the reasons he gives.
It’s interesting that for many people here in Scotland the EU referendum is a win-win situation. Most Scots are believed to be Remainers and they’ll be delighted if Remain wins. But if Leave wins, it’s very likely that Scotland will leave the UK and rejoin the EU in the foreseeable future.
Anon
June 23, 2016
It’s amazing how people are not using their real names on here to say they’re leaving…
Cathy
June 23, 2016
The names used here have been the same for absolute ages!! Nobody has changed their name for this referendum as far as I can see…….so I dont think you need to be thinking as you are…..
Tim
June 23, 2016
Some people say that it’s not the EU but the UK that passes laws to protect us. That’s an absurd argument – both the EU AND the UK pass laws to protect us. Why ever would anybody wish to vote away one source of protection?
‘Leave’ is loaded with damage, risk and uncertainty – so I’ll be voting to stay and it’s one of the easiest decisions of my life.
deafcomedy
June 23, 2016
Good piece, Charlie. A lot of people I know are reading the FB debates but (wisely) not contributing – this says a lot.
IMO, there’s a ‘class’ element to it as well – some debaters have the standpoint of ‘I have a better job/education than you, therefore I must be right’.
Barbara
June 23, 2016
I got involved in a EU comment thread last week on Limping Chicken and was disgusted by the basic ‘anti foriegner’ rant by people too dumb to distinguish between EU migrants i.e and migrants from elsewhere, or just too racist to care.
I live with a leaver and have one friend in that camp – and I’ve enjoyef the banter and arguments. But It’s pointless trying to have a rational debate in the face of such stupidity.
Cathy
June 23, 2016
Barbara, EU migrants have come from Somalia, Eritrea, Sudan, Nigeria, Afghanistan etc etc. They are NOT part of the EU and therefore they are foreigners, just as we would be if we went to their country!
There is nothing stupid about using the word “foreigner” but it is stupid allowing colossal numbers to come pouring over without the slightest way of being able to accommodate any of them in any way or form and even more stupid when we have 1.5 trillion debt!!!
Barbara
June 24, 2016
See what I mean ? This is someone who says she wants to work as a carer ! Thankfully the employer cottoned on to her attitudes – like falsely labeling whole groups of people and ignoring their individual humanity – and refused to give her a job.
In an earlier post she wondered – publicly for all to read- why the population size of Australia was so small .
Try cracking open a book, go back to school or do a course – or something to learn about the world beyond your front door.
Cathy
June 25, 2016
Barbara, please do not make allegations you know nothing about!!
My employer did NOT refuse me a job, they gave me the job, then took it away when they realised I needed an interpreter for training!
And Australia have a smaller population because they take control over who enters their country and who doesn’t. Something Britain has NO control over whatsoever!!!
I do not need to read any books to understand what is happening to populations especially in Australia.
I would take care with your allegations, Barbara: remember you can be sued for false allegations!
Barbara
June 26, 2016
You blamed ‘foreigners’ for your predicament. Your employer was quite correct – you need more than an interpreter.
Im afraid your latest ‘essay’ on the population of Australia needs a lot more work. Failed again – didnt you do any reading…?
Mark
June 24, 2016
May God be with you, United Kingdom. No matter what happens, you will prevail as you have done before.
Tina
June 24, 2016
I am a born and bred Londoner and I voted to leave the EU. I was met with “you are a racist”, “what about your children’s future”, “you are narrow-minded”. While I am 100% not a racist (I’m a Londoner, how can I be?!), I for one, along with other Leave voters, have our reasons for wanting to leave the EU. I read all about the history of the EEA how it evolved into EU. It transpires that the EEA was set up to avoid countries going to war with each other. We have had terrorism and
suicide bombers recently in France, Belgium, UK and part of the EU agreement is that its borders are unchecked for “free movement”. So, this is one reason why I’m a Leaver – the EU is not working anymore. I won’t go on about the rest of my reasons.
My choice doesn’t define who I am, I am still the same Londoner. It is unfortunate that people label us whatever path we take.
My name is real so feel free to attack me personally if you are brave enough.
Cathy
June 25, 2016
Tina, the label of “racist” is now used to shut people up and close down debate!
That may have worked years ago but not now because they are more aware of what is really going on with the EU and one size does not fit all!
Freedom of movement does not really work for this little island, as we do not have the space unless we got rid of all our green spaces and concreted over the lot of it! This would not only destroy the eco system but cause flooding on a gigantic scale!! Britain cannot accommodate these numbers of people without destroying the country itself!
Not only that immigrants are always placed in poor areas such as Rochdale or Oldham. There are no immigrants in Oxford as the area is too expensive to keep them there! This skews the population and makes the poor even poorer!! Dreadful economics!!!
It is seriously sad that many people cannot see the damage that is being wrought on Britain by “freedom of movement” and this is most likely one of the main reasons that the leave camp won!!!
Barbara
June 25, 2016
Then your ‘research’ should have easily revealed that the free movement across borders without border check is called the Schengen Agreement which does not apply to theUK and there was never any plan for it in the future. If you have travelled to France you will know there are Uk border checks there as well as French ones here set up as part of a bilateral treaty between France and the Uk – nothing to do with the EU.
I do find it astonishing that so many people based their votes on such nonsense and in doing so decided to impoverish the country. As a Londoner and citizen of one of the greatest global multi cultural cities you should know its fortunes have rested on waves of immigrants from across the world since medieval times- and even before that as it was created by the Romans ( who were from north africa snd the mediteranean) settled by Saxons and Danes. As a modern day Londoner you should feel ashamed of your choice for this city.
Tina
June 26, 2016
The Schengen Agreement is an EU law so therefore is part of the EU. This should be scrapped along with a lot of EU bureaucracy rules which was never voted under democracy.
EU took a lot of money from the UK in membership fees and Poland was the biggest recipient of the EU funds. Yet Poland was one of the smallest givers. That democracy for you? None or very little of the U.K citizens migrated to Poland.
Immigrants outside the EU are the best thing to have happened to the UK. They gave a lot to us and boosted the economy. We do benefit from them, yes, and we need them. That will be continued.
Leave voters were united in democracy so we have to learn to respect that rather than letting Brussels fat cats force their opinions on millions of us.
Besides I reckon, of course the next few years will be uncertain like periods of recession in the past, UK will be better off without the EU. It is the EU who needed us more than we needed them.
Tina
June 26, 2016
By the way, you say the Schengen Agreement does not apply to the UK, unfortunately this affects the UK! Everything that happens in the EU, happens in the UK too. It is time us Brits put a brake on it.
Barbara
June 26, 2016
The methodology for membership fees and remittances and funding is a quite straightforward as it depends on the relative wealth, GDP etc of each member state. Wales, Cornwall and even London benefitted from EU structural funds.
As someone who’s family hails from the Caribbean I can assure you that it’s not just EU migrants being singled out for ‘brexit’ fuelled racist attacks. Also, Brexit has triggerd major concerns across the Caribbean about it’s beneficial education and trade links with the EU – which the UK alone is unlikely and unable to support in the future.
This is not just a recession – the Uk is now at the back of the queue – laughed at by USA, China, India, Russia etc. All because you and others were suckered by a pack of liars.
Tina
June 28, 2016
Barbara, you have a chip on your shoulder! I’ll quit while I’m ahead.
Barbara
June 28, 2016
Hmm ‘chip on your shoulder’. Last time I heard that phrase was around 1975 .Another insult from back in the day, usually leveled at minorities for the crime of being assertive and not standing for nonsense, making a come back thanks to the xenophobic brexit campaign.