On Friday 7th June 2013, I was sitting inside Barclays Bank’s local branch staring at my mobile phone. It was ringing. The call was from a person at Barclaycard’s Fraud Detection team, who had insisted on speaking to me on my mobile phone. I swiped ‘Answer’ then asked my son Richard, who was sitting next to me, “What on earth am I supposed to do now?”
Barclays Bank’s Personal Banker, who was sitting opposite us, looked extremely embarrassed and shrugged. I spoke into my mobile “Hello, I am Jill Hipson, I can’t hear you” and asked her what to do next. She shrugged again. I handed the phone to Richard. He listened to the Fraud Detection officer on the phone and said “He says he can’t understand you”.
Earlier that week, I had tried to use my Barclaycard to buy a new mobile phone from O2. The transaction failed because O2 had input incorrect information regarding my postcode. After trying the transaction twice, I gave up and tried my husband’s credit card. It didn’t work either, but the nice people at his credit card company rang him up to check the transaction. Unaware to me, Barclaycard blocked my card without any communication. The first I knew that my card had been blocked was when it was declined in the local garden centre.
I went home and tried to log into my Barclaycard account only to find I was blocked from using Internet Banking. I tried to phone Barclaycard using Text Relay but couldn’t get an operator. This is a scenario not unfamiliar to many frustrated users of the service. There was nothing for it to go and talk to the personal banker in Barclays, so I asked Richard to come along and help me with communication. And that is how Richard and I found ourselves facing the unfortunate personal banker across a desk while I was asked to do something which is so common and taken for granted by hearing people that they do it many times every day without a second thought, but which is physically impossible for me. In other words, answer my mobile phone and speak to the person on the other end.
The first letter to Barclaycard
On 8th June I wrote a letter of complaint to Barclaycard which explained what had happened. I told them that I was completely deaf and that my speech is not understood by hearing people, so that it had been impossible for me to answer the call from Barclaycard Fraud Department. I copied the letter to The Times Troubleshooter Column, who had helped me before when I faced a similar scenario (see “Jill Hipson, the Deafie who took on the Banks”). Troubleshooter must have copied the letter to their contact at Barclaycard because I got two replies – a fob-off from the complaints department, and a more helpful reply from a Senior Customer Relationship Manager at Barclaycard. She stated that the way my case had been handled was completely unacceptable and that Barclaycard welcomed calls via Text Relay. She also apologised for the situation and awarded me £100 compensation. Unfortunately this didn’t move matters forward as the situation could still arise again.
Thinking about the problem
This was actually the third time I had been caught out because I was unable to answer an incoming call from either Barclays or Barclaycard’s Fraud Departments trying to verify a transaction I was attempting to make. My previous complaints had met the same response: Barclays and Barclaycard welcome calls via Text Relay. It seemed that the banks over-relied on Text Relay, lacking awareness that the use of Text Relay would require a textphone plugged into a telephone socket. Telephones and textphones are both fixed line equipment. The Bank felt it was not necessary to provide any other form of access. But this wasn’t the right answer. Calls via Text Relay can not be made or answered using mobile handsets. I had a long hard think about the situations I had been in. I wrote another letter explaining that there is currently no hardware or software which enables a deaf person using a mobile phone to make and receive calls via Text Relay.
Des Comes to the Rescue
Des Masterson is part of the Facebook group “Spit the Dummy and Campaign for BSL Act” Campaign Team and he participates in another Facebook group “Pardon? I’m deaf! When will you listen? We need access for All!” Within the Pardon? Group, I posted about my bank problem, complaining that the letter from the customer manager at Barclaycard didn’t move things forward. Des contacted me via Facebook and offered me help with my second letter to Barclaycard. A Facebook chat and an email exchange later, my one-page letter had grown into a 4-page sledgehammer of a missive with detailed references to the Equality Act 2010. Des showed that Barclaycard had discriminated against me on three counts:
- Barclaycard Fraud Detection Team had not taken any steps to enable their services to be accessible for use by deaf customers. This is classified as a failure to make reasonable adjustment under the Equality Act 2010.
- Barclaycard Fraud Department use one-size-for-all practice by insisting on making telephone calls to my mobile phone and speaking to me, despite the fact that I am already known to the Bank to be profoundly deaf and the inability to hear calls and speak. This is classified as the indirect discrimination under the Equality Act 2010.
- Unaware to me, the Bank placed a block on my credit card until this came to a light when I used the credit card to make payments for my shopping and the transactions were declined. The Bank put a block on my use of Internet Banking without making this clear to me until back at home, my attempts to gain access to my accounts online were denied. The Bank’s failure to communicate with me in an accessible format unfortunately led me to face consequences due to my deafness. This is classified as the discrimination arising from a disability under the Equality Act 2010.
On 27th June, that letter was sent to Barclaycard. They replied advising that they appreciated that I am unable to have the use of Text Relay when I am away from home, and stated that the Fraud Detection Team should be able to communicate with customers by text message when asking them to confirm whether transactions are genuine or not. This new service will start in October 2013.
TCPhoneText and AUPIX
There is a service called TCPhoneText, run by a company called Aupix, which enables deaf people to make calls via Text Relay. Calls may be made from a PC or from certain types of mobile phone (Android, iphone 4 & 5), but I have a Windows mobile. I am aware of this however the use of Aupix would not have solved my banking problems for the following reasons:
- Aupix is not supported by mainstream telephone providers.
- Calls, including a call setup fee, via Aupix have to be paid for on top of charges levied by the mainstream telephone provider. Aupix’s charge rates per minute is not competitive in the current telephone market and as a result the Aupix user would have to pay more for calls. Under the Equality Act 2010 the service provider has a legal duty to make reasonable adjustments without any costs to cost customers with disabilities. This does not mean the need in service providers to buy equipment/softwares for customers to have the personal use.
- To receive incoming calls via Aupix, it would be necessary for the computer to be switched on and Aupix be kept logged on, and to be in front of the computer for alerts in the visual format of any incoming call. In comparison with the use of mobiles, in which texts and emails would draw the person’s attention straight away regardless of the person’s circumstances, such as away from home.
Conclusions:
- Banks don’t understand deaf telecoms.
- Banks over-rely on voice telephone calls via Text Relay which involve the use of ordinary telephones and textphones, both requiring fixed telephone lines. They don’t understand that Text Relay does not work with mobile phones.
- Banks genuinely don’t appreciate that use of e-mails and text messages are both primary channels for any communications with deaf people via mobiles.
A heartfelt thank you to Des Masterson for all his help in getting my bank problems sorted.
Barclaycard were given an opportunity to respond to this article, they said: “We’d like to apologise again to Ms Hipson after our service fell below the level we would expect her to receive from us. For future contact with her we’ve made sure that our advisors are aware they should use alternative methods to voice calls.
“It’s our aim to make banking easy and accessible for all of our customers regardless of any disability. To help our deaf customers manage their accounts we offer a Text Relay telephone service, the option to speak with a professional sign language interpreter in one of our branches, online secure messaging, and email access to our customer services team.
“From next week customers will be able to use Skype to discuss their account from home, through a professional sign language interpreter, and later in the year it they will be able to do so in our branches. Barclays will be the first bank to roll out this service across our branch network. We’re also bringing in the option for customers to receive texts from our Fraud Detection team asking them to confirm whether transactions are genuine or not, rather than requiring them to take a call.”
By Jill Hipson, from Hertfordshire
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Andy not Mr Palmer but another one
August 30, 2013
I’m surprised, Jill that you have had problems with Barclays. I stayed with them for years despite the fact that they are quite an expensive bank but I felt that was outweighed by the fact that I knew the staff, they knew that I have a serious hearing problem and with one or two rare and ancient exceptions they have always been helpful. Many times I have felt that they have gone beyond the call of duty when it came to sorting out my problems. I really only left because I was unhappy with the way Barclays constantly sold me things I didn’t want or need. I calculate I’m saving £300 a year just by changing my bank.
Because I live in the middle of nowhere it has been more convenient to bank over the Internet for some years now, especially since I can pay for nearly everything by plastic. I do all my banking by Internet, by email and if absolutely necessary by Text Relay. I used a computer connected to the Internet by a modem. It plugs into any phone socket. In theory a laptop with a modem could do the same job. The advantage of this is that you get a PC sized screen and a grown up keyboard. Also easy Save and Cut and Paste facilities. It’s not a bad way to do it. I don’t actually have a minicom at all.
Some coping strategies people might find useful : Don’t give people your mobile number and tell them to text you. They won’t, they will ring. So don’t give them the chance!
Avoid giving people you landline number. This can be quite difficult because some online forms won’t let you complete them without a phone number. Sometimes you can get away with a string of zeros but some sites also filter for a valid phone number and won’t let you get away without one. I feel this is a breach of civil rights as I for one do not have a telephone plugged in. It’s sitting on the shelf, gathering dust, it’s there in case one of my hearing friends or rellies needs the telephone. I have never yet had an organisation offer to ring me by Text Relay.
There is no doubt that the level of deaf awareness is still poor even in some quite major companies. Not to mention the Government. It’s a never-ending job to make them more deaf conscious, we go round and round the same old loop of ignorance, prejudice and discrimination.
M Williams
August 30, 2013
The statement said…“From next week customers will be able to use Skype to discuss their account from home, through a professional sign language interpreter,
I am rather puzzled to this statement and would appreciate more information please?
I am please if SKYPE can be used but unclear how the process works.
I want to also use this to show other Banks and building societies that they too should offer this.
thank you
Sylvia Webb
August 30, 2013
Sadly I think there will be many of us sitting thinking “I will believe it when I see people posting on “Pardon? I’m deaf” saying “wow! It worked, I used it to contact my bank!”” Fingers crossed it goes mainstream with all organisations who need to communicate with Jo public ….and many many thanks to Jill and Des for all their continuing work on our behalf (())
Natalya Dell
August 30, 2013
Well done Jill!
I have nothing good to say about banks because I think many of us have had this kind of nonsense. I now no longer agree to “verify” anything over the phone which I can’t myself hear. They really hate it, but “I’m deaf, this is YOUR problem” usually sorts it. I know once they agreed to get me to stick my card in a machine and put the pin in as a verification.
Well done too to Des, he knows how to phrase the legal language beautifully… I shall have to smile at him sweetly and we could draft some templates for Pardon or something 🙂
John David Walker
August 30, 2013
Thank you Jill. Your experience has mirrored mine just a couple of months ago. My solution was to go into a Barclays bank with an interpreter. I have to say, the process was extremely tedious and lengthy – even with a bank employee. I wonder if Des might be in the position to create a website with these kind of responses that will help the rest of us to fight our cases and use other cases as a reference.
Sam
August 30, 2013
Hi Jill,
Barclays Bank – The story with mine was I wanted to find out where my money had disappeared to. I am profoundly deaf and cannot hear the phone, so I ask BSL interpreter to ring the back, they refuse to speak to the BSL interpreter even though I was sat next to them. I then had to make appointment with Barclays bank sat with them for 2 hours with BSL interpreter trying to find out where my money had disappeared to..after this I transferred all my money to a different bank due to their attitude etc. Some banks do not accept different methods of communication. We are now in 21st Century where most of use mobile phones, emails etc.
I hope the banks do improve as Halifax is another bad example when transferring money they ring you to check that you have transferred the money yourself!
Jerry
August 30, 2013
I’m sitting here scratching my head puzzled with the response from Barclaycard. Surely this is sign video as they announced it in the Daily Mirror newspaper recently, http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/city-news/barclays-boss-screwed-up-past-2043495
Rob
August 31, 2013
Likewise have always complained. All the time. For all sorts of reasons with all companies. Interesting that so many of us deaf people keep having these individual experiences and yet cannot seem to work together to campaign as a force to be reckoned with. Until the day comes when the deaf can campaign effectively together, the situation will never improve. Now lets talk about the bad subtitles???
Donkey
September 2, 2013
This is not good to read. Barclay’s will be launching a Video Relay service in the coming weeks…so you could call the bank from your PC via SignVideo interpreters, if you liked.
Jill Hipson
September 2, 2013
The reason I wrote this article is because it seems to me that the more everyone talks about the problems they have with different organisations, the better. I achieved a resolution, and it does seem to be working because someone in the Pardon? group on facebook said Barclays texted them last week to confirm they wanted to make a large purchase. Hoping that this article will let other deaf people know what can be done when they have problems with their bank failing to contact them in an accessible manner, and how to do it.
pennybsl
September 3, 2013
Just read your article and thanks for the legal info. I encountered a very similar situation with HSBC last month and even the bank employee who tried to help me was stunned at the obstacles, I as a Deaf customer, faced when I am blocked from using my account – simply because I forgot a security number over the phone (Text Relay) BUT as it turned out, I never had one in the first place.
Robyn
April 24, 2014
WOW THATS FANTASTIC! When I first had problems with the bank years ago and I had to go to the bank and demand to talk to the manager. I told the manager if the situtation isnt fixed then I would lodge complaint against the bank for being discrimination and other issues that raised in my time with the banks. Like Jill, the bank constantly call me even though they knew that Im deaf. I even screamed at the voice caller and said i’ve had enough of this constantly calls and will be contacting my solicitor. The manager emailed me that he has brought this issues to all the head office company to sort this out and how to deal with deaf customers.. 1st one was the interpreters arrangement which is great but but like if my card declined to access , should I call the interpreter?? no no they realise that matter and again report back to head office to see if we could use the text relay to notify any issues eg alert me of the transaction occured at UK that happened two years ago and I notified back and say im at UK for 7 weeks holidays so they didnt block my card. Sorry if im writing very confusing story but im overexhausted! lol.