My name is James Davies, I am 24 years old. I am a recent cochlear implantee (as of Feb 2013). Prior to that I always wore hearing aids. I live in the South of England in rural Surrey, employed as a Project Engineer.
I started the process of applying to PIP some point late May 2014.
I had realised that I needed some form of help as I gained more independence (I was moving out) and needed some financial help. My friends at the time (deaf peers) recommended I apply for DLA (they didn’t know at that point it was called PIP) and said that it was a fairly straightforward process.
So I started my research. I found that DLA no longer exists for adults, it was re-named PIP and changed under the new Tory government. Ok I thought – just a new name and system.
The first problem I came across was pretty obvious. The only way I could get the application form was contacting them via phone, now obviously I can’t do this at all.
So I thought, ok I’ll look for an email address since this is the internet age and surely they would have one. NOPE, zero zilch nada… there’s no form of email contact to request an application form.
So I contacted a charity in Farnborough called deafPLUS who agreed to phone on my behalf. I had to take some time off work just to make a phone call to claim a FORM!
Even that was stressful, due to them asking repeatedly to talk to me (suppose they didn’t realise deafness existed lol). The woman who helped trying to explain that I could not hear the phone and she was speaking on my behalf. Anyway I managed to get that form request submitted and it came in the post around June 2014.
I read through the booklet that came with questions. It was immediately clear that it was based on a point scoring system which I thought was detrimental to deaf people like myself. I was already sceptical that I would have any chance of getting this benefit.
The questions are very vague. I had no idea what to put, so I put some answers that I guess answered the question more directly. I suppose this was a mistake, I could have answered the question however I wanted, adding more information related to how my deafness affects me.
There was not much information on the internet from deaf people who have applied for PIP (relatively new at the time) for me to use to my advantage.
I felt this form was impossible, none of the questions really help a deaf person to portray their problems and explain why I feel I am entitled to PIP.
After I had filled it in it felt like I had barely answered some of the questions.
I received an answer in November 2014, formally rejecting my application for PIP. I was devastated, I had no chance with this system. My problems in everyday life could not be explained in this restrictive form.
Ironically, the letter stated that I would be phoned up and explained why I hadn’t received the benefit.
Huh? Did this guy even read my application? He would have read that I CANNOT use a phone, let alone hear very well….
I cannot remember but I think they phoned me on my mobile, obviously I couldn’t answer the phone. I was at work as well, no one could have possibly picked it up for me, and it is a personal matter too.
After that phone call I don’t think I received anything. That was it.
Now I know I could have appealed against the decision but I was so disheartened by the process and I felt I would never win, the questions and acceptance criteria is flawed.
I have since this not tried to reapply, I missed the 1 month appeal time.
I hope to try again with some help.
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Ann Jillings
July 4, 2015
Sadly this does not shock or surprise me. The purpose of the change from DLA to PIP was to save money and Deaf people are an easy target. As you say, just the means of applying in the first place is inaccessible to Deaf people ( I’m sure that must be giving a two fingers up to the Equality Act). I recently accompanied a friends 16 year old daughter to her PIP interview as NO interpreter had been booked and to be quite honest, the system is a demeaning shambles. ATOS employs a variety of health care ‘professionals’ to conduct these
assessments but how a paramedic has the expertise to assess the impact of being profoundly deaf on everyday life eludes me. Anyway, we did our homework and got some good tips about what sort of issues to explain from the NDCS guide, at the interview it was patently obvious that this chap had very little understanding of Deafness, for examples he thought her radio aid was a recording device! At the end of the assessment he said that despite comprehensive audiology reports and evidence from TOD, speech therapy etc, he needed to do a hearing test. Now this was the masterpiece! The hearing test was very high tech and consisted of him saying a word behind her back and seeing if she could guess what he said- this is no word of a lie, he actually did this. We obviously challenged the appropriateness and validity of this but “it had to be done”. I cannot imagine a more demeaning and unreliable way of assessing a deaf person. We will be visiting our MP. The way people are assessed for this benefit takes no account of the specific needs of Deaf people and is just designed to weed out as many claimants as possible.
Clive Boswell
July 4, 2015
James, contact Surrey Disabled People ‘s Partnership. They will assist with forms etc. Clive
Tim
July 4, 2015
Even with DLA, it was not unusual for DWP to automatically reject Deaf people’s claims. Tribunals are independent and they often overrule the decision makers’ conclusions. So it’s good advice to 1 always appeal a rejection. My other golden rules are:
2 Always seek advice. Welfare advisors can be better than solicitors, because the former specialise in their subject. Your council may have a ‘welfare rights team’ (google is your friend,) but the CAB are also good.
3 Never fill in the form yourself. This is a specialist skill -best left to the specialists!
The only exception I would make to the above 2 is if you decide to use the excellent ‘Benefits and Work’ website (google.) They provide written guides to take you through the forms, which actually may be the best option for some Deaf people. They charge a small subscription, but in my opinion, it’s well worth it.
4 Always ask for and use an appropriate interpreter at assessments and tribunals. They want to see if you need a ‘carer’ – show them that you do, rather than struggle to understand.
Ruth
July 4, 2015
I suggest you copy this information to your MP
Natalya D
July 4, 2015
I have been tweeting at Action on Hearing Loss, NDCS and BDA asking if they can/would create “Deafness specific PIP info”. I might ask Charlie if this can be an article in itself!
What exists as of today:
1) NDCS young people’s page with video + PDF factsheet is closest to deaf-specific information. It suggests what you might need to spend PIP money on and provides some guidance about the forms and process.
http://youngpeople.ndcsbuzz.org.uk/infoadvice/ref:I52441A22E2A20/title:Important1+Changes+to+your+benefits./
I do think the questions need to be broken down more.
2) AoHL have structured short BSL videos signed by Mark Nelson with English and subtitles explaining PIP step by step.
http://www.actiononhearingloss.org.uk/supporting-you/benefits-and-personal-independence-payment.aspx
This information is widely available in English but I haven’t seen it anywhere else in BSL so that’s great! There is one video which covers eligibility for PIP expressing AoHL’s concerns. I would like to see AoHL think about questions we should consider while completing the form – I can think of several!
3) BDA have a 55 minute long BSL video about PIP changes from DLA.
http://bda.org.uk/News/187
A long video but looks like it might be interesting if you have the time to spare and I think is important. I haven’t watched it all yet.
So why am I talking about “disability specific information”:
I have helped several people successfully and easily apply for PIP (and previously ESA and DLA). Because of my employment I am used to asking people specific questions about their every day life as a deaf and or disabled person and comparing those answers to what a non-disabled and hearing people are used to.
The person reading the PIP forms it knows very little about deafness (or disability). You HAVE to tell them even if that seems unfair. They don’t know what it is like to be deaf, how people treat us, how much we don’t hear, know about or understand because of poor accessbility or awareness. They don’t know that you might miss trains because you don’t hear announcements, or that you cannot understand strangers when out in public.
As well as explaining deafness very clearly. You HAVE to use special language. For PIP that is explaining how “safely” (without pain, nausea, tiredness/fatigue, dizziness etc) “repeatably” (how often you can and need to do a task), “to an acceptable standard” (how well you can do something) and “timely” (how quickly you can do it). You then have different questions, 15 in total where you can “pick up points”. For deaf people with no additional needs you won’t get any points in most areas like toileting or cooking/eating etc. The main area is verbal communication and maybe some of the mobility sections – we aren’t sure yet as not enough people have applied and tested it out.
Ideas for how deaf people may link with these include:
1) Safely – Does listening or trying to understand speech make you tired or fatigued? Do you get dizzy from the effort? Think about Ian Noon’s concentration fatigue article.
2) Repeatably – Can you always understand people? Are there times you don’t have a hearing aid or cochlea implant in? Can you hear everyone you need to hear even if it is noisy or crowded?
3) Reliably – How often do you misunderstand what is spoken to you? How often do you have to ask the person to repeat themselves? Do you have to have things written down?
4) Timely – If you have to have information repeated a lot, or spend time explaining your needs, or write things down, this could take you more than twice as long as a hearing person would. You could get some points this way.
I could probably write some questions for deaf people in PIP but I think deaf organisations might be better at it and I’ve got enough to do without doing their work for them. I hope they can improve their content and if I get bored and have ideas I’ll send it to them to host and improve.
rogeer
July 24, 2015
This is excellent. I also back the idea charlie should put on links to resources on what to fill in PIP forms…it will be of great use for us deaf people. These resources should not just focus on BSL users but also the orally deaf.
pennybsl
July 4, 2015
Thanks for sharing.
Painful but you are a real voice in the process, we sense and feel it.
Wishing you the best, great advice in several comments.