The Secret Deafie is a regular column about deaf experiences submitted anonymously by different contributors.
You must be thinking: ’Oh no, not another Access to Work fraud article’.
Having talked to others who went through this experience, I’ve counted more than eight fraudulent Access to Work cases which, by my calculation, has resulted in more than £10 million being lost already.
Having been an employee in a deaf-led company that was involved in a previous fraud case, and being aware of other people who have gone through a similar experience, this time I have witnessed it with my own eyes, as it was happening to someone close to me.
I’ve witnessed the horrific experience: from the arrest to being charged to the lengthy court trial. I’ve looked through the evidence, attended legal team meetings and listened to the witnesses in court. I got a taste of how the legal system works. I’m a big fan of crime investigation type programmes but I’m telling you – it is NOTHING like you see on television.
During this time, I have felt real anger – not only with the manager who performed the fraud and took advantage of the naivety and vulnerability of their Deaf staff, but with the Access to Work team who have accepted no responsibility for their part in what has led to this.
There is a way to make sure fraud on this scale does not happen again and that other people do not have to go through the same experience. For this to happen, Access to Work must take some responsibility for their role in a number of fraud cases and make changes.
Access to Work is there to provide the right support for disabled and deaf people to get into work and make successful careers.
Deaf people use BSL/English interpreters and the appropriate invoice has to be submitted by the interpreter on completion of their work, with necessary details, such as their registration number, address, hours worked and fee.
However, in this recent case, a number of fraudulent invoices were submitted to Access to Work. They were fictitious. The money obtained fraudulently was being used to pay for the salaries of Deaf employees.
Once you apply for Access to Work and have your funding agreed, often the Access to Work team ask you for the names of the interpreters you want to work with you, along with a quote for their services.
There did not seem to be a process in place where Access to Work actually checked that the people Deaf people were using were actually interpreters, which meant false names and details were easily given.
How could the Access to Work team allow for the option for payments to be made directly to the Deaf person or the employer? Why is this option included when Access to Work know that historically is has been open to abuse?
There’s a simple solution – remove this option and make payment to the interpreters directly.
Come on, something needs to be done. The Department of Work and Pensions need to ensure that Deaf users of Access to Work fully understand how the system works, that the funding is for their communication needs and not as revenue to pay for their employees’ salaries.
I would welcome the opportunity to meet with the DWP to discuss this. A better, clearer system would reduce fraud and create a better world for the deaf community.
The writer describes themselves as: “I am a deaf SSE/ BSL user from London. I have relied on Access to Work support since starting work to provide me with BSL/English interpreters and allow me to do the job I trained for. Access to Work is a brilliant scheme and has opened up opportunities for me. The system is under threat from fraudulent cases, but the blame doesn’t lie solely with those who commit fraud. Here’s why…”
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John Walker
November 29, 2018
I am not in agreement with this article. It is assumed that fraud is about ‘stealing money’ but actually it is about deceit. I share the feelings of anger as someone who was a victim of fraud (luckily, without too many repercussions) but the anger is not about the theft, rather the lies.
As a comparison: just because someone leaves their car open, it doesn’t mean that it should be stolen. Insurance policies might say otherwise that the owner can not claim against a policy because they did not protect the adequately – but that doesn’t take away the original crime. No one committed fraud by accident caused by DWP, it was intentional and planned by those who committed the crime.
On the other hand, the crimes of fraud separates out the wheat from the chaff and we start to learn a little more about who we can trust, and how we can check how that trust can develop.
I don’t see a problem with paying the employer because not all of us work for SMEs, where there may be less surveillance.
Shane Gilchrist
November 29, 2018
As far as I know, no fraud whatsoever in ATW Northern Ireland because the ATW staff are very strict – regular checks etc. I think it is because frauds used to be common in Northern Ireland (not ATW but with benefits i.e. on the double etc) – deafies in Northern Ireland are often astonished by how easy frauders get away with it in England/Scotland. It should go both ways.
anonymous
November 29, 2018
Hi John, you do make a point here and I’m not saying you are wrong because yes, it was intentional, but there has to be a responsibility to address this situation on both sides. It’s exactly the same with the banks, when fraudsters keep stealing money or accessing other people’s accounts and banks always try and improve their systems to reduce fraud – adjusting their systems to protect and improving security. I think that is the aim of this article – why can’t DWP improve their systems for once? If you think about it, we are still using old-fashioned claim forms and send them by mail? This is very dated, considering banks have already launched banking apps and so much can be done electronically these days!
John Walker
November 30, 2018
Thanks for replying. I appreciate the clarification and yes, I agree, all systems could improve in some way or another. But to make the connection between fraud and the system, as a cause and effect, is misleading. Fraudsters are great at lying and, even if the system improves, fraudsters will always find another way.
Concerned
November 29, 2018
How can anyone justify deliberate theft from the public purse full well knowing that children are suffering from cuts to the education budget.
StopChanges2AtW
November 29, 2018
Agree with the point being made here; that AtW aren’t doing enough.
Banks and all other financial institutions use the latest technology available to safeguard against fraud, yet here is a scheme still using the paper based system established in the 90s. The government have a responsibility to protect public funds. They are failing in this.
barakta
November 29, 2018
Every instance of AtW fraud makes it harder for the rest of us to manage legitimate awards. AtW is a great idea, but horribly administered by people who have no clue about deafness (or indeed other impairments or disability). There are several silly hoops in some areas while there are massive gaps and loopholes in others.
One example is employees have to waste time getting a manager to physically countersign every claim (a huge issue for people who can’t use a pen which AtW refuse to deal with) but no one checks the manager’s name. I never dared sign “mickey mouse” as a test, but I was tempted! When my own usual manager was away, I had difficulty finding another “manager” who would be willing to sign cos they didn’t know what it was about… Neither my manager or anyone else was tracking my AtW hours use, that was my business not theirs. I could have been ripping them off a bit and no one would have known.
I always did have my STTRs paid by AtW directly cos my employers have all been SO crap at paying upfront. I think this is a sensible idea and if DWP give money to anyone else it should be scrutinised more.
Maybe what DWP need to do is LISTEN to D/deaf and disabled people and ask us about the gaps and security holes cos I am sure many of us could tell them. It would be nice to work in partnership with them, they make their processes properly accessible from the ground up (accessible forms, fewer silly time wasting processes, less numptitude from advisers) and we work to help keep AtW as ethically used as possible.
I should also point out that while I do not condone the fraud in any way, it’s loathesome and those who do it are disgraceful, £10 million in terms of the overall AtW spend for several years is very low. 2013-14 spent £108 million. If we assume the original poster is referring to say 5 or 10 years and call it 100 million a year average, then 10 million over 5 years is 2% fraud rate, and over 10 years is 1% fraud rate which is pretty much inevitable for any system… Every system should be designed to minimise fraud but also recognise there’s a balance to be found between limiting fraud and screwing over genuine users.
Linda Richards
December 7, 2018
Let’s not forget there were significant cases involving hearing interpreters who were found guilty. Others have got away with it. Some turned to give evidence against Deaf people. They’re still out there practising. No wonder there is a disconnect and distrust.
Whilst the DWP could do more, no one was, or is, forced into committing fraud. The key perpetrators did it out of greed. Worse… They did it knowingly.
Fraudulent practices are still ongoing.
One Deaf person was involved in the Hearts scam and an AtW scam a few years ago and still owes money for the Interpreting service received. This person holds a privileged position representing the Deaf Community.
Another Deaf person, a senior manager in a Deaf organisation, asked an Interpreting agency for an arrangement whereby the agency would provide all their Interpreting needs and manage the paperwork and as part of this, the agency would give a payback to the Deaf organisation, When the agency refused saying that what was being suggested was fraud, the Deaf senior manager said, but we did that with our last interpreting agency.
Interpreters have been asked to submit invoices for “interpreting work” and to then give a cash-back to the Deaf person. Some have refused but some have or are still doing it.
At least two people have left the UK thereby escaping investigation, and subsequent prosecution, of their fraudulent activities.
One outfit made the case for full-time interpreting support for a Deaf employee (their own, as I understand it), who works in a kitchen doing the washing-up.
Some set-ups involve family members and they are funding their businesses and/or lifestyles via AtW.
Sigh.
We need more information for Deaf people. To tell them of their responsibilities when they get an AtW award and warn them of the dangers.
As for paying an organisation rather than directly to an individual interpreter, that worked well many years ago for the BBC which was then able to pool all the funds (with the DWP’s agreement), and pay their Interpreting staff salaries on one year contracts.
The whole set-up needs an overhaul and greater protection for all. And we need to stop the complicity. Time to speak out.