A deafblind man has made a complaint to Job Centre Plus after being given a BSL Level 3 ‘interpreter’ to facilitate communication, which led to him leaving his appointment.
James Clarke, from Surrey, complained that his request for a professional BSL Interpreter had been ignored and his language rights had been discriminated against.
The Job Centre work coach initially responded that ‘a qualified level 3 interpreter was perfectly adequate for the purpose of this meeting to support you.’
However, someone only qualified to BSL Level 3 cannot be a qualified interpreter.
Clarke – who has Usher syndrome and has taken part in over 100 charity runs and marathons – said:
“[this is] not a safe policy for any formal meeting or interview and could lead to a serious misunderstanding and/or miscommunication. Under the BSL Act 2022, I have the right to equal and safe access to a qualified BSL interpreter for my interview/meeting with you, a right also covered under the Equality Act 2010 (reasonable adjustment).”
The ‘interpreter’ in question who attended Clarke’s meeting was revealed to be a Jobcentre work coach who was previously a disability employment advisor and holds a BSL Level 3 qualification.
In his formal complaint, Clarke explained that the coach was not only unqualified to interpret, he was also not following the professional code of ethics that an interpreter would – with inappropriate dress wear that did not meet Clarke’s visual impairment needs.
Clarke has since contacted various deaf charities and organisations to support his complaint and will also be meeting with his local Member of Parliament to discuss this.
The board of ASLI (the Association of Sign Language Interpreters and translators in the UK) have commented on this matter:
“ASLI always advocates for the booking of registered interpreters to work between deaf people and those who can’t sign. Our members take pride in providing the highest quality interpreting services and invest in ongoing training and development of their practice post qualification.
Booking a registered interpreter provides assurance to customers that the interpreter is appropriately qualified, insured, adheres to professional conduct requirements and is undertaking continuous professional development.
We are very disappointed to read of this example of poor practice by Job Centre Plus. Deaf people are entitled to better than the illusion of access which a ‘signer’ would be providing.
For the record, there is no such thing as a ‘qualified BSL level 3 interpreter’. An agency’s inability to provide an appropriate interpreter does not make it ok to bring in someone with a basic language qualification to communicate for deaf people needing to access their services.
This situation should not still be occurring for deaf people in the UK and the Jobcentre Plus must take steps to prevent it happening again”
Jobcentre Plus has been approached for comment.
Hilary McColl
March 4, 2024
Please would you clarify, for the benefit of those of us who are deaf but not BSL users, the various levels of certfication/registration which lead to full registration as mentioned in this article?
Editor
March 4, 2024
Sure, there’s various resources online, here’s one of them:
https://www.nrcpd.org.uk/approved-courses#:~:text=Relay%2DIntralingual%20interpreters-,Sign%20language%20interpreters,to%20the%20UK%20and%20Ireland.
James Clarke
March 4, 2024
James here: You can see a full story in BSL on my Youtube channel, it’s on: https://youtu.be/Hb1nd2V_OM4
Mark Smith
March 4, 2024
Hilary McColl A registered Sign Language Interpreter will have a minimum of level 6 BSL language + also a level 6 interpreting qualification in addition.
In addition to this they will also have a DBS certificate, liability insurance and will undertake regular professional in service training.
A registered Trainee Sign Language interpreter will typically have level 6 BSL and have complotted a fair bit of their training towards the level 6 interpreting qualification.
They may also instead or in addition have similar University Degree level qualification in BSL AND Interpreting or Translation Studies. Such Interpreter qualifications are typically at Master or Post Grad diploma level
IN contrast a level 3 qualification is usually more equivalent to an A-Level or level 4 matches a a diploma or only the first year of an undergraduate degree .
Hope this helps
Occasionally someone who is not a registered or a qualified interpreter will be suitable in particular situation with the agreement of all parties. But they should never be imposed o a deaf person without their agreement !
Personally I have level 6 BSL and almost completed and MA in interpreting studies
and level 6 interpreting but personal circumstances and workload stopped me continuing to achieve full registration.
I was registered as a Trainee Interpreter.
I’m retired now and not registered and don’t usually put myself forward for interpreting jobs – but as I have been ordained as a clergyman for 44 years now and for 22 + years of that have worked in the Deaf Community and have led many weddings and funerals and church services in BSL I’ll sometimes offer myself for those things where people can’t get a registered interpreter and are desperate – but I’ll always defer to and recommend a registered interpreter if available !
Sister Marika Rebicsek
March 10, 2024
Thank you Mark for this lovely educational reply. We, in the Deaf community appreciate this. I’ve had so much discrimination myself. I was told on January 29th they couldn’t get an interpreter, “could I bring someone with me to sign for me?” !!!!!! I briefly explained why this wasn’t possible and then sent them a letter afterwards. They accepted it. I said, if you had a Polish job seeker, would you ask them to bring a friend with them to translate? It’s a huge breach of privacy. The friend signing for me could miss out something crucial, which could end up being detrimental to me!
Tim
March 5, 2024
And here we have yet another example of why it was so wrong for two Deaf charities to sign up to a contract clause requiring them not to criticise DWP.
The DWP have a long standing poor record when it comes to its treatment of Deaf and disabled people, so our charities should be speaking truth to power, not hamstringing themselves in our defence.
I hope James gets all the support he needs and the appropriate back up from the charities that are supposed to work for us.
Dawn
March 6, 2024
This happened to my brain damaged profoundly deaf son, who has no hearing or hearing aids. He was given a person who had a level 3 for his employment training at work for over 10 years. I had no idea. I assumed the employer knew the law and his legal rights. My son didnt know his rights and just accepted what he had. When i found out, i had to take legal action and won his case. Bloody shameful and I cried buckets for him when I found out. I felt like a bad Mum. They couldn’t give a monkeys about him.
Penny
March 6, 2024
Communication with deaf-blind people is a specialised qualification, in addition to BSL. It includes a variation on the manual alphabet.